I think if the Corbyn gang get something together, team up with the Greens, and sort out some sensible and comprehensible policies, there could at least be some credible opposition.
You think the media, corporate, political, military and Intelligence agencies establishments are going to allow that any more than they didn’t allow us leftists and Corbyn to succeed? It’s a fool’s errand to think any social justice will ever again come through electoralism. Even the milquetoast, mildly social-democratic reforms on offer in Corbyn’s manifesto were too much for them.
We will have to start with the kind of demonstrations that managed to clobber the poll tax. That particular success is about the best the left have had.
Yes, imo a General Strike is the only thing that can work to force a change. Bring the country - by which i mean the economy - to a stand-still. Hurt them where it matters: their profits. It’s the only language they recognise. The Tory & then New Labour governments only began to negotiate with the IRA after the City of London financial district and Canary Wharf were targeted and put out of action. The European stock exchange moved temporarily to Germany and the British establishment were scared, terrified, of losing it permanently. It was only then that they were finally prepared to negotiate with the IRA, to prevent repeat attacks and the end of U.K. domination of the Stock market.
What has happened that would make electoralism a serious way forward for a leftist agenda? The only possible way that could happen, even in a mildly Soc Dem form, would be if a billionaire like Musk does for the left what he’s done for Reform AND if the media were to suddenly switch off their decades long antipathy towards the left. AND if the corporate, military and political establishment has a change of heart like turkeys voting for christmas.
With FPTP it'll be a lurch between neo-liberals (whoever keeps their head down and lets the others cock it up) and the possibly of Trump style fascists with all the little Englanders.
The only hope is PR, and a bunch of Progressives joining forces curbing the power of the main parties, showing their credentials to work for ordinary people, and then taking votes from the likes of Labour, Libs and the Tories. Also it might just give Reform enough rope to hang themselves.
My preference would be Greens, Independent Socialists and like minded, voting en-masse to put people first.
You think the media, corporate, political, military and Intelligence agencies establishments are going to allow that any more than they didn’t allow us leftists and Corbyn to succeed? It’s a fool’s errand to think any social justice will ever again come through electoralism. Even the milquetoast, mildly social-democratic reforms on offer in Corbyn’s manifesto were too much for them.
With Tory & Labour equally hopeless as the third largest party Sir Ed Davey’s LibDems should be making more impact. They have a range of credible and humane policies and are thoroughly decent people.
A majority of voters now seem to agree with LibDems stance on the EU.
I say that whatever the question is the answer is not Reform ! unless the question is “ who should we not vote for ?”
You think the media, corporate, political, military and Intelligence agencies establishments are going to allow that any more than they didn’t allow us leftists and Corbyn to succeed? It’s a fool’s errand to think any social justice will ever again come through electoralism. Even the milquetoast, mildly social-democratic reforms on offer in Corbyn’s manifesto were too much for them.
I don’t think it’s difficult to explain Labour trailing in the polls; it’s simply that the wider public are finally getting a taste of the kind of betrayal and lies dished out previously to the party members when Starmer needed their votes. It was easy for the rest of the public to ignore the “whining lefties” when they didn’t ever think it would happen to them.
‘First they came for the socialists and i stayed silent…’ & all that.
This state of affairs will make far more sense and clarity once you accept the fact that 'they're all in it together'. They only pretend to play party politics to deceive the people into thinking they have democracy and a choice.
But you don't. The system you have is called 'Feudalism'. It is government/subjugation by a small minority group - let's call them the 'Establishment' to avoid accusations involving the 'conspiracy theories' canard (created by them for an obvious purpose, of course). Everyone else in the country is a 'serf' - whose only 'value' is in their 'labour' or 'economic productivity'.
The Establishment often hate the fact that they have to keep telling lies to the people and keep up this illusion. I would too if I were them. They would far rather just take the masks off and go full on fascism/feudalism. Unfortunately, the 'people' vastly outnumber them, so they always have to be mindful of 'revolution'.
Fortunately for them, however, it became abundantly clear some time ago that the people will never do a revolution because they're too subjugated (or polite, even). Like when 2 million people march on London to 'stop the war', make some pretty speeches, wave some banners around, and then obediently go back home again. That's no deterrent, and the Establishment were paying attention there.
Anyway - here's the truth. Farage is what is known as the 'controlled opposition' - he is Establishment through and through and represents that feudalist group, not the people. This is the arch deception. It is also the product of decades of propagandizing the people towards the 'right' with all its vile bigotry and so on. If you add up the polls today, some 70-75% of voters are planning to vote for one of the three Establishment, far right parties. Same as in the election last year.
Think about it this way - if Farage was such a threat to the Establishment, why do they keep giving him so much disproportionate airtime and promotion? If someone turns into a threat, they simply shut them down (or do smear campaigns and internal sabotage as with Corbyn).
The kind of far-right government the Establishment would really want is indeed something akin to the Farage/Tories coalition. This is the reason why Starmer is deliberately destroying any credibility of the Labour Party. It's not because he's 'incompetent' - that's what he wants you to think. He's actually playing his part in this scheme to go full on fascist really quite perfectly, as are the rest of his so-called cabinet. The same is true of Badenoch. She is playing her part in helping Farage to get into 1st place.
So what you are already seeing in this parliament is a carefully contrived strategy to destroy the Labour party (good, actually - it's anachronistic) and go full on fascist in 2029.
The only genuine solution to this is a Liberal Socialist party. But if that happened, it wouldn't get any airtime and there'd be smears galore. Besides, it's abundantly clear that there isn't anyone in the country left anymore with the intelligence to understand the policies, let alone suggest them.
So I'd simply start prepping, if I were you. And learn fieldcraft, and suchlike. Or emigrate to an island somewhere. Vanuatu, or something.
The frightening thing is how little had changed since July. Labour are basically the Tories. Farage must be rubbing his hands together waiting for 2029.
It's not difficult at all. Labour really SUCKS, just like the Democrats do in the US. They suck so bad they make the Tories look credible, just like the Dems made Trump look credible.
Neither of our countries has a political party that represents the working class, so we go from one oligarchic buffoon to the next.
I think if the Corbyn gang get something together, team up with the Greens, and sort out some sensible and comprehensible policies, there could at least be some credible opposition.
You think the media, corporate, political, military and Intelligence agencies establishments are going to allow that any more than they didn’t allow us leftists and Corbyn to succeed? It’s a fool’s errand to think any social justice will ever again come through electoralism. Even the milquetoast, mildly social-democratic reforms on offer in Corbyn’s manifesto were too much for them.
We will have to start with the kind of demonstrations that managed to clobber the poll tax. That particular success is about the best the left have had.
Yes, imo a General Strike is the only thing that can work to force a change. Bring the country - by which i mean the economy - to a stand-still. Hurt them where it matters: their profits. It’s the only language they recognise. The Tory & then New Labour governments only began to negotiate with the IRA after the City of London financial district and Canary Wharf were targeted and put out of action. The European stock exchange moved temporarily to Germany and the British establishment were scared, terrified, of losing it permanently. It was only then that they were finally prepared to negotiate with the IRA, to prevent repeat attacks and the end of U.K. domination of the Stock market.
That was in 2019, a lot has happened since then.
What has happened that would make electoralism a serious way forward for a leftist agenda? The only possible way that could happen, even in a mildly Soc Dem form, would be if a billionaire like Musk does for the left what he’s done for Reform AND if the media were to suddenly switch off their decades long antipathy towards the left. AND if the corporate, military and political establishment has a change of heart like turkeys voting for christmas.
With FPTP it'll be a lurch between neo-liberals (whoever keeps their head down and lets the others cock it up) and the possibly of Trump style fascists with all the little Englanders.
The only hope is PR, and a bunch of Progressives joining forces curbing the power of the main parties, showing their credentials to work for ordinary people, and then taking votes from the likes of Labour, Libs and the Tories. Also it might just give Reform enough rope to hang themselves.
My preference would be Greens, Independent Socialists and like minded, voting en-masse to put people first.
You think the media, corporate, political, military and Intelligence agencies establishments are going to allow that any more than they didn’t allow us leftists and Corbyn to succeed? It’s a fool’s errand to think any social justice will ever again come through electoralism. Even the milquetoast, mildly social-democratic reforms on offer in Corbyn’s manifesto were too much for them.
Don’t ignore the LibDems.
With Tory & Labour equally hopeless as the third largest party Sir Ed Davey’s LibDems should be making more impact. They have a range of credible and humane policies and are thoroughly decent people.
A majority of voters now seem to agree with LibDems stance on the EU.
I say that whatever the question is the answer is not Reform ! unless the question is “ who should we not vote for ?”
You think the media, corporate, political, military and Intelligence agencies establishments are going to allow that any more than they didn’t allow us leftists and Corbyn to succeed? It’s a fool’s errand to think any social justice will ever again come through electoralism. Even the milquetoast, mildly social-democratic reforms on offer in Corbyn’s manifesto were too much for them.
I don’t think it’s difficult to explain Labour trailing in the polls; it’s simply that the wider public are finally getting a taste of the kind of betrayal and lies dished out previously to the party members when Starmer needed their votes. It was easy for the rest of the public to ignore the “whining lefties” when they didn’t ever think it would happen to them.
‘First they came for the socialists and i stayed silent…’ & all that.
The abysmal trailing the awful tripping over the apoplectic, fearing the frightful and the fiddlers.
This state of affairs will make far more sense and clarity once you accept the fact that 'they're all in it together'. They only pretend to play party politics to deceive the people into thinking they have democracy and a choice.
But you don't. The system you have is called 'Feudalism'. It is government/subjugation by a small minority group - let's call them the 'Establishment' to avoid accusations involving the 'conspiracy theories' canard (created by them for an obvious purpose, of course). Everyone else in the country is a 'serf' - whose only 'value' is in their 'labour' or 'economic productivity'.
The Establishment often hate the fact that they have to keep telling lies to the people and keep up this illusion. I would too if I were them. They would far rather just take the masks off and go full on fascism/feudalism. Unfortunately, the 'people' vastly outnumber them, so they always have to be mindful of 'revolution'.
Fortunately for them, however, it became abundantly clear some time ago that the people will never do a revolution because they're too subjugated (or polite, even). Like when 2 million people march on London to 'stop the war', make some pretty speeches, wave some banners around, and then obediently go back home again. That's no deterrent, and the Establishment were paying attention there.
Anyway - here's the truth. Farage is what is known as the 'controlled opposition' - he is Establishment through and through and represents that feudalist group, not the people. This is the arch deception. It is also the product of decades of propagandizing the people towards the 'right' with all its vile bigotry and so on. If you add up the polls today, some 70-75% of voters are planning to vote for one of the three Establishment, far right parties. Same as in the election last year.
Think about it this way - if Farage was such a threat to the Establishment, why do they keep giving him so much disproportionate airtime and promotion? If someone turns into a threat, they simply shut them down (or do smear campaigns and internal sabotage as with Corbyn).
The kind of far-right government the Establishment would really want is indeed something akin to the Farage/Tories coalition. This is the reason why Starmer is deliberately destroying any credibility of the Labour Party. It's not because he's 'incompetent' - that's what he wants you to think. He's actually playing his part in this scheme to go full on fascist really quite perfectly, as are the rest of his so-called cabinet. The same is true of Badenoch. She is playing her part in helping Farage to get into 1st place.
So what you are already seeing in this parliament is a carefully contrived strategy to destroy the Labour party (good, actually - it's anachronistic) and go full on fascist in 2029.
The only genuine solution to this is a Liberal Socialist party. But if that happened, it wouldn't get any airtime and there'd be smears galore. Besides, it's abundantly clear that there isn't anyone in the country left anymore with the intelligence to understand the policies, let alone suggest them.
So I'd simply start prepping, if I were you. And learn fieldcraft, and suchlike. Or emigrate to an island somewhere. Vanuatu, or something.
Tory cunts are out there. Difficult to wean some Brits off the taste of posh boy cock. Apparently, that includes Badenoch's....
The frightening thing is how little had changed since July. Labour are basically the Tories. Farage must be rubbing his hands together waiting for 2029.
It's not difficult at all. Labour really SUCKS, just like the Democrats do in the US. They suck so bad they make the Tories look credible, just like the Dems made Trump look credible.
Neither of our countries has a political party that represents the working class, so we go from one oligarchic buffoon to the next.
Because they are not Labour. They are RedTories
You know that Zack Polanski is not officially the leader of the Greens, right?
Carla Denyer also talks a lot of sense, but could do with working on her delivery.
I had to look on YouTube to see if I even recognised Adrian Ramsay's face, and watching his Channel 4 interview, I'm still not sure. 😐