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jill chambers's avatar

so well said, brilliantly put !

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The Left Lane's avatar

HEY AAV- Instead of worrying why Labour did so badly last week and what it needs to do improve, we should be working on building a mass socialist party that can be a real alternative to BOTH Labour and Reform and who are BOTH pro-status quo parties.

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Tim's avatar

I agree, Labour are dead in the water they just don’t realise. People want change not more of the same, they don’t want what America has which is to quote George Galloway “2 cheeks of the same arse” reform are a one trick pony blaming illegal immigration for everything but people have been conditioned to believe they are. It’s time for real change with the government actually ruling for ordinary British citizens and making lives better

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Ron Stockton's avatar

You make excellent points, however, I disagree that Labour is being stupid or idiotic. It's time to face facts; Starmer is doing what the liberals, social democrats, and bourgoisie did in Germany in the 1930s. a mild form of democratic socialism was knocking at the door when Labour was led by Corbyn and that was too much for the liberals, social democrats, and bourgoisie so they enlisted Starmer and his cabal to sabotage the party and the 2017 and 2019 elections. Starmer's job now is to ensure that the possibility of socialism is buried and buried deep, deep, deep. Starmer knows this will lead to fascism but to liberals, social democrats, and bourgoisie, fascism is always preferable to socialism. Based on what has happened since Starmer has taken leadership of the Labour Party, and especially since forming government, I'd say Starmer is not a liberal, social democrat, or bourgoisie, he's a fascist. All is going according to their plan.

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Jennifer Akdemir's avatar

Absolutely. You notice it too among the "liberal" eite media.

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Ron Stockton's avatar

Indeed. Especially among the liberal elite media.

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Liz Thompson's avatar

None so deaf as them that won't listen.

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Jennifer Akdemir's avatar

So true....

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Fred. Grant's avatar

Isn't Starmer just following 'the working class' to the Right, instead of leading?

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Jenifer Devlin's avatar

Why waste any effort trying to resurrect a party so utterly devoid of any humanity. We should condemn Labour to the dustbin of history and support the various independent alliances in their grassroots struggles to show that a different way is possible and is worth fighting for. Labour has failed us and left us without a coherent democratic structure for going forward. We can and must rebuild.

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