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Andy Pryce's avatar

They chat nonsense, they say whatever they need, to justify whatever agenda they are pushing at the time,but they get away with it, because of a compliant media, owned by the same people who always benefit, Politicians, from all parties, are just a corrupt bunch of Charlatans, they stopped working for us years ago, and take orders from a different master these days, ive lost interest, Voting is a total waste of time under FPTP, we only have an illusion of Democracy anyway, they throw us a few crumbs every few years, to make us think we actually have a say

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Tim Hughes's avatar

Unfortunately there is no party that represents ordinary people anymore. They either represent the wealthy or the comfortable middle classes near London. That's about it. So we vote for parties but get nothing from them. In short, we've returned to a kind of feudalism or serfdom again, you might call it economic feudalism or something along those lines. Our masters know best and so they do exactly what they want. Starmer is no different, a technocratic automaton if ever there was, bland in speech and presentation, little charisma and doing very little of what he promised. Where do we go from here? Effectively the poorer classes and the non wealthy and unconnected have been cast adrift.

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Tim Hughes's avatar

No political party now really works for the mass of ordinary people, Thatcher and Reagan's revolution put paid to that. It has been a downward spiral ever since. Starmer is meagre fare indeed, as are the thoroughly purged, rather middle class and very right leaning 'Labour' party. It has lost its soul.

You see, we have 'partial democracy' and good times and a fountain of money for the right people and the right causes, but it's hard luck stories and 'there are no magic money trees y'know' for care workers, proper pensions, fair wages for the majority who are the backbone of society, infrastructure, public transport etc. If it's for palaces, tax breaks for Amazon et al, big landowners, dodgy deals or paying ex PMs a kings ransom for writing garbage in some right wing rag, the money tree flowers exuberantly! It's all a question of priorities. My priority would be to fix the economy for the majority not have it run for a cosseted minority. But that's just me and no doubt many millions of other people.

The political system as a whole is bought and paid for. It is a cesspit of corruption, mismanagement and cronyism at the top. Starmer is just the latest potato head that fills a gap, nothing more. An automaton doing his paymasters will. They WILL NOT tackle the poverty and injustice inbuilt into the system because they all benefit from it. A dearth of morality underpins it all. Sad times indeed.

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Mike's avatar

Maybe they can afford it now they’ve factored in the money from selling arms to Israel…🤷🏼‍♂️?

They have the worst pr and media department of any government since the 60s! They’re doing some good stuff, and seem to be trying to improve things, but then they (like with the WFA) walk into the middle of the room and take a dump on the carpet. I does make me think he’s a Tory plant, by being that unaware of his location.

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J-Pat : Jason Patrick Quinn's avatar

Until Blair’s ‘New Labour’ came along in the late 90s and it’s unashamed use of “spin” - a euphemism for ‘lies’ - from the likes of Alistair Campbell, the statements made by officials (from whichever party was in power) regarding nationally important issues and policies were taken at face value. Caught lying to the public or parliament and the done thing was to resign, but now lying - or ‘spin’ - has been normalised to such an extent that one’s own immediate reflexive reaction is to take it for granted that what is being said by MPs, Department officials and *especially* the Prime Minister is not the real story or facts. Their automatic position is to gaslight, obfuscate, misdirect and distort the facts and truth. We literally can’t trust what we are being told by a sitting Government.

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John Wright's avatar

It's just as well I follow you on Substack, because Facebook has suspended my account until I make a video selfie to convince a software algorithm that I am not a robot;- "Confirm your identity with a video selfie

To make sure that you're a real person, we need you to record a video selfie. We'll ask you to move your head during the recording to help us capture your face at different angles".

There is no chance of me doing such a thing, so goodbye Facebook.

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Tim Hughes's avatar

Are you sure you're not a robot??!

Joke! Yes it's ridiculous and I don't blame you.

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John Wright's avatar

The frustrating thing about it is that I have to do this BEFORE I can lodge a complaint about being required to do it. BEFORE I can enter any appeals process. There's the token "we are totally concerned about your privacy, honest". I have been accused of being a robot. An accusation directed at anyone with a different point of view.

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Tim Hughes's avatar

Yes. It is, in effect, censorship. Very worrying.

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John Wright's avatar

Yes I expect that the real reason is censorship, and preparation of face-recognition, useful for targeting. More worrying than you thought.

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Tim Hughes's avatar

It is the way things have been going for decades. Nothing surprises me anymore. I think we have no choice but to be honest and speak the truth. The economic divisions and inequalities to my mind underpin almost everything else. There is money and wealth there, it is just not being shared fairly.

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juliet solomon's avatar

Anything to keep objectionable people quiet. Why would it matter, anyway, if you were a robot? You'd be just like most of the Government frontbenchers.

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John Wright's avatar

Yes. While they create the AI tools that makes a robot indistinguishable from a human. There was a joke about Meta's Facebook platform will end up with robots arguing amongst themselves, all the real people having left long ago.

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John Wright's avatar

I just had a notification from Facebook, that I have some memories, one from 2017. Surely it knows from my activity that I am a real person. The algorithms are not good enough to monitor people.

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Liz Thompson's avatar

Perhaps we could organise a raffle on how many lies they could tell at a time, with the prize being a free trip to the nearest food bank.

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juliet solomon's avatar

After that utter nonsense saying that denying heating support from pensioners would save us from an otherwise likely run on the pound - how can we ever believe any future (and past) claims?

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Dx's avatar

Not forgetting all those shiny new nuclear submarines and arms factories we're going to build as we obviously need to "defend" ourselves from ....?

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